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    Re: Volition targets Used buyers like myself.

    Hmmm. On one hand, I completely agree, companies like Gamestop are really hurting the industry, not just in the pocket, but also in the "ideas" department: they only keep track of the new copies sold, not the used ones, so millions of people could have played say Halo (for argument's sake) but as far as 343 is concerned only 10,000 people bought it, meaning they'll consider Halo a flop and focus on something else (again, only argument's sake). I do believe something definitely needs to be done to give the companies a little more green for their work.

    On the other hand, making it so that a console only recognizes a new copy of a game is waaaay past overboard. It's like my views on the late SOPA: yeah, there is a problem and something needs to be done about it, but SOPA is just taking it too far. That's basically how I see this whole shebang about the anti-used-games feature on the new Xbox. To my understanding, it will work by recording the IDs of the disk to your profile, but what about other people that use your Xbox with a different profile? Maybe if they also add the IDs to the console database (like how the 360 currently handles downloadable games with both profile AND console IDs) then it might be a reasonable system. But as it is now, it's totally a step in the wrong direction.

    So here's my idea. Corporations that sell used video games should give a cut to the company that made the game. Using Gamestop as the example, they could sell a used copy of (again) Halo. I say Gamestop should give 343 10%. So if the game sold for $60 used (work with me here) then Gamestop would keep $54 and send $6 off to 343 for each used copy of Halo they sell. Gamestop would be required to keep record of each used game they sell and the company that developed the game, and then the computers would automatically deduct the debt from Gamestop's electronic accounts and wire the funds to said companies. Since Gamestop has a 7-day return policy for a full refund, there can be a 7-day delay in the process for each wire transfer, and any game that isn't returned in that grace period is automatically disqualified for a refund anyway, so Gamestop can safely send the amount owed after those seven days (obviously other stores would have to make other arrangements). This will negate the need for pesky online passes, and will in fact earn the companies even more money than the passes would in the first place. Gamestop might make ever-so-slightly less at first, but developers will start getting more comfortable with Gamestop (since they won't see Gamestop as stealing money from their pockets) and endorsements will be through the roof! It's a triple-win scenario (the developers win, the used game companies win, and the consumers win).



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    Re: Volition targets Used buyers like myself.

    if this happens then ill just stop playing games entirely. not all games are worth it. besides i only manage to buy games when i have a spare dime. reality takes my money most of the time so yes it sucks. and now this ugh.

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    Re: Volition targets Used buyers like myself.

    You guys are all making some very good points. This makes me feel even better in my investment towards NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, and N64 cartridges over the years. At least those games belong to me and I don't have to worry about them being 'patched' or any other bullshit that might otherwise ruin the experieces I had with these classics as a child. I know this post may seem a little off topic, but it's just the way a developer's continued grasp on their software after it's release makes me feel.
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    Re: Volition targets Used buyers like myself.

    You know this issue sort of came up with a whole thing several years ago about MJ and Nirvana. Nirvana did not really hit main stream until kids told their parents after christmas that they wanted the MJ CD and not the Nirvana CD.

    I like the one concept of 10% of profit on used games. My issue is there is ways now to track games now besides being new and that is Unique Users. I know UUs do not always work since that only counts currently online. Xbox can currently track the the games I have played in order of most recent time played, with a bit more of coding you could see how long they were played, what was the general thing they were doing, and have this for all plays of a game.
    10%, UUs, and a bit more coding would solve most of the issues that he and this board are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeGuy View Post
    You guys are all making some very good points. This makes me feel even better in my investment towards NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, and N64 cartridges over the years. At least those games belong to me and I don't have to worry about them being 'patched' or any other bullshit that might otherwise ruin the experieces I had with these classics as a child. I know this post may seem a little off topic, but it's just the way a developer's continued grasp on their software after it's release makes me feel.
    No man, I feel you. I remember OoT for the 64. I had V1.2 for years! Then I finally ran into a friend who had a golden copy of V1.0, and he had no idea what it was worth. So I conned him out of it with Shadows of the Empire and $20. So many beautiful glitches!
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    link: http://asia.gamespot.com/news/witche...-thing-6349908

    the dev of the game who made witcher is on our side of why banning used game is a bad idea.

    The Witcher developer CD Projekt Red has been vocal about its distaste for digital rights management (DRM). Now the studio is taking another populist gamer stance, saying that rumored plans for the Next Xbox to block the playing of used games "can be a bad thing."

    Speaking with Eurogamer, CD Projekt Red managing director Adam Badowski said the studio loses money not due to piracy or used game sales but simply because people decide not to buy its games.
    "We should invest more power to upgrade and polish our products and convince players to keep our products, to be with us, to understand our needs," Badowski said. "Because we are an independent developer, we have to prevent layoffs; we need to grow up and have the power to create new games."

    As with the DRM issue, CD Projekt Red's attitude toward used game sales may not be widely shared. The design director of Saints Row studio Volition came under fire from numerous gamers earlier this month for saying that a Next Xbox locking out used games would be "fantastic" and cautioning that the industry could "fall apart" if used sales aren't somehow curbed.

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    Re: Volition targets Used buyers like myself.

    damn i read every last post and i knew none of this which may i add is nuts...great share everyone time to google some things on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by red hulk View Post
    damn i read every last post and i knew none of this which may i add is nuts...great share everyone time to google some things on this
    yes google is your friend lol
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